Episode Overview:

This insightful, inaugural episode of the Staffing Buzz Network features a dynamic conversation between host Bob Pettke and the first-ever guest, Congressman Nathaniel Moran of Texas’s 1st district. Congressman Moran offers a unique perspective, having transitioned from a successful legal career and even owning a staffing company to serving in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Congressman Moran delves into crucial topics, sharing his experiences in the staffing industry, highlighting the vital role of relationships and trust in successful business partnerships. He discusses the challenges facing the labor market, specifically touching on the impact of potential legislation like the joint employer rule and efforts to dissolve independent contractor relationships, which he believes could significantly harm businesses. He also addresses the complexities of immigration as it relates to workforce needs, emphasizing the importance of border security. The conversation concludes with his thoughts on the current economic climate and his confidence in Speaker Mike Johnson’s leadership.

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Episode Transcript:

Bob Pettke (Host):
Coming to you from the Ultra-Staff studios in Chicago, welcome to the Staffing Buzz Network with your host, Bob Pettke.

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Bob Pettke

Coming to you from the Ultra-Staff Studios in Chicago. Welcome to the Staffing Buzz Network with your host, Bob Pettke.

Hello, my name is Bob Pettke, and I want to welcome all of you to the first-ever inaugural episode of the Staffing Buzz Network. Now, some of you may be wondering, What is the Staffing Buzz Network, and who am I? I’m Bob Pettke. I’m the Chief Sales Officer here for Ultra-Staff EDGE. We’re a full-service front office, back office, ATS, CRM staffing solution.

And, collectively, we’ve decided that it’d be great if we can add to the staffing community by having this podcast to share some very relevant, meaningful content with the staffing community. As far as myself, after 15 years in the staffing industry, I’m now on board as the chief sales officer here at Ultra Staff Edge.

And we are excited to kick things off with our first-ever episode of The Staffing Buzz Network. With that said, I want to go ahead and introduce our very first guest, part of Making History, Congressman Nathaniel Moran. Congressman, good afternoon and welcome.

Nathanial Moran

Hey, Bob Pettke, it’s great to be with you on the Staffing Buzz Network.

I can’t believe that I’m actually getting to be the guest on the very first episode of what you’re doing. So, kudos to you for starting this up. I hope this ends up being something that’s beneficial to those in the staffing network. We’ll talk a little bit more about my background in that area, but I’m just pleased to be with you.

So I’ll fire away with any questions you have, and I’m happy to talk about what’s going on here in Congress.

Bob Pettke

No, perfect. And I’m glad you’re here. And there’s some reasons besides the fact that you’re in Congress and you deal a lot with labor in the community, your local community and even on a national scope.

Before we get started, Congressman, I’m gonna go ahead and give the folks listening a little bit of a background or a history of who you are, if that’s okay, and if I got anything wrong here, correct me at any point. The way that I have this started, you had a successful law practice.

In Texas, from 2005 to 2009, I was a civil servant for the city council of Tyler, Texas. I do also have you down as, from 2016 to 2022, that you were appointed and then elected. as the smith County judge that time, and I don’t ha you also were part of staffing, where you wo of other folks in the ind And, you helped run a staffing company, where you focused on light industrial, logistics staffing in Tyler, Texas.

How am I doing so far?

Nathanial Moran

So far, so good. on target. And really, I think what I want folks to know about my background is, I’ve always felt called to serve in public service and, the question always has been when we’re in house, should I serve, did that on a volunteer basis as part of the city council, as you mentioned.

And then. Again, I was recruited to do that as the county judge in Texas. County judges are a little bit different. They’re primarily administrative. They also had a judicial function, but primarily my role was to run the day-to-day functions of the county and to be the county budget officer, for the county to preside over our commissioners’ court, which is the governing body of our county government.

So that’s the kind of thing that I enjoy doing. I told people often, really, I was two things. I was a janitor. I cleaned up people’s messes. Most of the time messes I didn’t make, and that was a professional problem solver, because every day you woke up to a new problem. You just had to work through it and solve it.

But along the way, as a lawyer doing business, commercial, transaction and litigation work, I met a guy that was in the staffing business and ended up being his lawyer. And then, when he was ready to exit the business, he invited me to buy that local franchise, which was both in Texas and Louisiana.

And, with a couple of good buddies from high school, we did that and enjoyed doing that for a number of years until I came to Congress.

Bob Pettke

Let’s talk a little bit about that. I’m a little bit familiar with your backstory on that side of it. And, as much as you can, or as much as you feel comfortable or want to share, talk a little bit about that partnership with those guys, a little bit that got you to that point.

Cause I know there were a few of you involved in that. And, if you could share a little bit of that story, cause there’s other people in the industry. that probably have similar stories.

Nathanial Moran

Yeah. And the thing I would say about the two guys that I was partners with in the staffing company world was that they were friends that I’ve known since at least high school.

One of them goes back to kindergarten with me and we all had a different array of, skills and together we had, helped each other out over the years, but the, real genius, I guess the real, benefit to the mix was we trusted one another and we, loved one another with that brotherly love to be selfless.

Cause when I talk to clients all the time as a business lawyer, folks would often come to me to set up a business or a new entity because they wanted to go into partnership with somebody or have an entity with them. I would. I’d caution them and say, listen, you’re gonna, you’re gonna be fine.

You’ll only have difficulty if you become really successful or if things fail. Those are the 22 times when you’re gonna have troubles with your partners. Because generally, If you’re not trusting of one another and you don’t act selflessly towards one another, then the partnership or the business entity is going to, especially a close, close entity is going to go awry when, it goes, one of the only two ways it’s going to go, either it’s successful or it’s not.

So you better pick your partners up front very carefully, and they better be as close as family, sometimes closer than family, in order for you to succeed. And these two guys were that they were closer than brothers.

Bob Pettke

No. And I’m familiar with that. And it’s. It’s really a very unique story, in the sense that, from what I can gather, you’ve known these guys for years, right?

And still maintain that relationship. Although out of staffing, your world changed here for you and your family. And I wanted to make sure that I touched on your family a little bit. You’ve got four school-aged children, and you’ve got your wife, Keena, so my numbers might not be right.

Over 23 years of marriage. Is that right?

Nathanial Moran

Luckily, I made it to 24. Okay. We’re in the midst of 24. I’m gonna have to update my bio, but we married in 1999 and we’ve got kids from six all the way up to 18. My oldest two are both graduating seniors this year, so we’re gonna be left with a first and second grader.

And still have a while to go before we get those guys up and grown, but loving every minute of it. We love being a part of our little white house community in East Texas, where I grew up. My kids go back to the same school that I was at many years ago, 35 years ago, had moved away and spent a lot of time away, but was glad to come back.

And when I did, I recalled fondly why I love that area so much.

Bob Pettke

And so while you’re in DC, she’s holding down the fort.

Nathanial Moran

She is. And this folks need to realize this too, as they get into business, because I know we’re talking about really getting, being in business and staying in business. No matter what you’re doing in life, there’s times when you’re going to have to sacrifice.

And especially when it comes to public service or service, generally service always comes with sacrifice, is a theme that I’ve been talking about this last week with Veterans Day, recognizing that their service comes with sacrifice, not just for them, but for their families too. And, for me, the service is something I love.

I like coming to DC. I like being involved in the problem solving up here, but the sacrifices generally born by. Those four kiddos are home that are missing time with me and my wife, who would prefer not to be a single parent at this point in our life, but would like to see me every night at home.

And I would like to be at home, but we know, right now, our family needs to sacrifice a little bit so that we can serve this country.

Bob Pettke

No, and I’m sure, the people in your space and place in Texas, along with the rest of us, are thankful for that. Again, I really want to spend a little bit more time talking about, the staffing side of things and your experience in staffing, because, there’s a, there’s a saying that a lot of the folks and some of my colleagues past and present have when it comes to staffing.

And it’s the saying, if staffing were easy. Anyone can do it. More specifically, and I’m glad that you were able to share your story, how you got into staffing, because I’m a firm believer that we don’t necessarily choose staffing as staffing professionals. Somehow, some way, some shape or form, staffing chooses us.

And oftentimes it’s, I can talk to owners and people that are in the staffing world now, and none of them played staffing when they were little kids. None of them studied staffing in college. It could be that they got into staffing because they went and applied for a temp job, and somebody saw something in them and said, Hey, why don’t you come work for us instead?

So to hear your stories just solidifies, when I talk to different people, that staffing somehow chose you based on that relationship you had with that owner who made that possible.

Nathanial Moran

Yeah. And you just used the keyword that I was thinking of as you were talking, forward, not just getting into staffing, but actually being successful.

And that is relationships. Relationships are extremely key. Once we were in the staffing business. I think the only reason we were even successful is because the depth of the relationships that we had in the community and the fact that we were willing to continue to work to maintain those relationships.

Relationships don’t just, happen overnight and they don’t stay, they don’t stay close, unless you have ongoing dialogue about tough issues. I often said, as a county judge, I spent the first year and a half building relationships with the other 20-plus elected officials in the county so that I could have the ability to tackle the tough problems.

You cannot tackle tough problems unless you have a pre-existing relationship or are not in a meaningful way. So, folks that you know, folks that have a big client out there, and they’re thinking, as long as I just let the sleeping dog lie, I’ll be okay. No, that doesn’t work because at some point you’re going to have a tension.

You’re going to have a hard issue you got to work through. You’re going to have a CBA to work through. You’re going to have an injury that all of a sudden puts the people at odds, and you’re going to have some tough conversations with your client. If you have not been cultivating that relationship on an ongoing basis, and do not have some strong ties.

That conversation does not generally go well. But if you already have a pre-existing relationship and a good ongoing close tie, when that tough time comes, you can have that tough relationship. You can work through it. You may still disagree, but you’ll be able to work through it. That’s the key, I think, to maintaining and building a strong relationship, a strong staffing company.

Bob Pettke

No, absolutely. And, besides the fact that you know where your career has led you now, there is a segment in time where you earned your stripes and became part of this fraternity that we call staffing. And, you hit a lot on, some of the things that make staffing work, you talk, you talked about, being able to have relationships and real genuine relationships at that.

I’m interested to know that from your time in staffing, are there any takeaways that you had that you felt. Maybe positioned you for this next step as you’re now representing the folks in Texas, as you go and serve in Washington. Are there any things that any takeaways, that maybe you haven’t mentioned yet?

Nathanial Moran

Yeah, there’s certainly specific knowledge of a variety of businesses that has helped in Congress. I’m the only Texas member of Congress that’s on the education and workforce committee, which uniquely situates me to deal with workforce issues and skill training issues that are integrated into every staffing company every day.

And because I was able to service a number of companies in a variety of regions in two different states for years through the staffing business, I already understood how some of these laws and regulations and overly burdensome taxation issues were impacting the way that The ability of these companies to grow to give back to their, to their employees to provide benefits to their employees.

I understood what the impact is. I’ll come back to four issues in particular we’ve been dealing with on educational workforce here in a second. But the other thing that I’ll tell you as part of my staffing experience that has helped me here is I’ve never been one that wants to be idle, but owning a staffing company is 24 seven work, and it should be.

And that prepared me for the work-life balance here in Congress. I remember one of the years that I owned a staffing company, I had, we were going back into a kind of a ramp up stage with one of our clients and we had, We had an opportunity to, redo shift times and, staff up during those shift times, but they required me to get up every morning at two 30 to be on site by three 30.

And I remember for about five months, I was meeting groups at three 30 and then again at four 30 for training. And then again at five 30 for another shift. And then again, at six 30 for some more training. And then I’d rush home. Take my kids to school and then go to work, my normal day job, for the rest of the day.

And after doing that for four or five months, I thought I was going to die cause I was getting three or four hours of sleep a night. But what you figure out is you do whatever it takes. To get the job done, to be mission-cognizant of everything that’s important, and to use every moment of your day as it comes to you.

But on educational workforce, we, we deal with stuff from the FTC, Lena Kahn and the Department of Labor, Julie Sue right now, that, as it immediately affects, as it immediately comes to the table, you knew how, you know how it’s gonna affect businesses. Things like the joint employer rule.

That’s trying to go through right now or, the, push to dissolve the independent contractor relationship, or frankly, the move by the department of labor to, to dissolve franchise agreements or to dissolve non compete agreements, all four of those things are actively trying to get pushed through right now, through the administrative state on the executive branch side, the Republicans in Congress are opposing that.

Both with the Department of Labor and with the FTC pushing back, saying, No, we know you want to rule and make your way to laws, but that’s going to crush businesses. And so we’re trying to oppose that. It’s an ongoing opposition, but those four issues in particular, anybody that’s been in staffing for two minutes knows that any one of those issues would crush the staffing business if it became permanent.

Bob Pettke

Yeah, no doubt about it. And locally, here in the state of Illinois and New Jersey, it is probably about 8 to 12 months ahead of us. just some local legislation that they’ve recently are working on and trying to push through that, somewhat handcuffs the working world when it comes to temporary staffing and knowing that it’s local would just, I don’t want to talk too much about it.

But you’ve highlighted some of those things where there is an advantage to using temp staffing. Sometimes it’s a try before you buy opportunity and giving people a chance to, do a go into attempt to hire role and basically, demonstrate maybe with very little to no experience, that they’ve got the skills, the aptitude, and desire to go and do the job.

We’re running into some issues here locally that they’re working on. And I’m not sure if you have been made aware of some of those things, but it continues to be a challenge as a far, as far as how people are paid, where they want people that have been vetted and that are within an organization for a full time, they’re looking at the earnings of those folks.

And they’re looking at the earnings of somebody entry level, maybe in a temp position and trying to put them on a level playing field without giving them that opportunity to prove themselves.

Nathanial Moran

Yeah, I’m not specifically aware of what’s going on in Illinois, but or the Chicago area, I’ve been in touch with some of my colleagues who used to work in the state legislature in California.

We’ve got some of those on the judiciary and also on the education workforce that, just say, look, the stuff that was going on by Julie Sue at California that she’s trying to bring to the Department of Labor here, we’ll be crushing to businesses. And what it really is an attempt to do is.

Take away the right to work and to grow in the way that Americans traditionally are used to, where their hard labor can benefit them and their families. And if they’re willing to work harder, they can make more money. They can take risks, make investments, buy businesses in particular through franchises or work as an independent contractor when maybe the employer-employee relationship doesn’t work out quite as good for them to be able to have the freedom that they need to do that.

But what Julie Sue and the Department of Labor are trying to do is force everybody into an employer-employee relationship, force those franchises to go away, so that we only have large national companies. And in essence, what they’re really trying to do, Bob is forcing the circumstances to a point where unionization becomes a lot easier, which then flips the coin on leverage as far as what’s driving the economy.

And I, I think some of this, I know you’re not asking me a labor question, but I’ll just, let me just weigh in on this a little bit. And we’ve been seeing a lot of labor contracts being renegotiated recently. Most people don’t realize that. Let’s just take the auto unions, for instance.

The increase in the wages and the additional costs is going to be related to that is going to get passed down to one person, one person only. And that’s the person that buys the vehicle at the end of the day, the cost of the vehicle is going to go way up because these companies are still going to make profit.

They’re going to pass those additional costs on to the consumer, which drives inflation, which drives the cost of those vehicles and which actually reduces the ability of people that are struggling day to day to access those goods and services that are otherwise being produced by the folks online.

So I want people to make a good fair wage, but the free market should determine that. And, the free market is determining that in a lot of areas. Where, then, do folks benefit? I know in my particular business, the more I made, the more I paid my employees and the more I was able to provide them benefits.

That’s the way it should work. But when it’s forced upon you, then the profitability goes down, your ability to actually help your employees or provide service to your customers goes down.

Bob Pettke

No, no doubt about it. And again, you hit it on the head. It’s the consumer that’s still going to consume, and it’s the company that’s still going to make their profit.

It’s that space in the middle where we’re seeing some of the pains right now. With that said, and being in Texas, I don’t want to get into some of the immigration issues, but I want to address an issue that we see a lot in staffing, and it’s undocumented workers.

There are just so many of them right now. And, what I’m wondering, Congressman, is that, from a federal point of view, what are you seeing as far as yourself and some of your colleagues, some of the members of Congress? Are there some things that you’ve seen that are coming up as far as solutions or ways to add workforce?

Nathanial Moran

Yeah. and is probably going to come once we get the border se appetite here to actually widespread comprehensive or dealing with a worker secondary to, we’ve got t And, I think folks in the Northeast and in the North and the Midwest, Chicago, New York, everybody’s starting to feel the pain now.

I know I’ve heard even recently that the mayor of Chicago is getting on TV, saying we need help. We’re getting overrun. If the city of Chicago is feeling bad about 75,000 immigrants, you’ve got to talk to Brian Babbin, who has a colony that’s formed in his rural East Texas county.

That’s 75,000 undocumented migrants who have come over and established a huge colony in rural East Texas. And it’s more than the population of the remainder of the county. So I don’t feel really that bad for folks in Chicago that are complaining about 75,000 when we have millions in Texas that are straining our systems left and right.

Now, let’s get, let’s just talk generally about this, there’s some good legislation going on. I know Tony Gonzalez has a good bill called the HIRE Act, which I’m on board with, which is a more narrow solution to H-2A and H-2 B visas to try to provide for extended and more extended stay.

That’s for unskilled and ag workers. There needs to be more that’s done there. The process is too difficult. We’re not having enough babies in the United States to keep up with the workforce. Let’s just admit it. We’re not. And now I’m doing my part. sure. I got four. I’ve got four. So I’m doing my part to make sure that we have an adequate workforce, but we need skilled and knowledgeable laborers here, that from a variety of countries.

And we can do that appropriately if we follow the rule of law. We can’t just say. though anybody can come on, in whenever they want to, none of us do that in our own homes, none of us would allow that to happen, because then it would, it would dissolve the very thing that we’re trying to preserve, and we’ve got to secure that border, we’ve got to know who’s coming across for a variety of reasons, it’s not just Sovereignty, but it’s national security issues as well.

But there is, an appetite to create, the ability for, those folks here that, don’t have the current right to work, to allow them to work the, some of those folks that are here in a way that, that would be, supportive of our economic needs and would be matching their skill sets to what, the United States needs.

That’s always been the reason behind. Legal immigration. So we need to do it in a legal way, but we need to, we need to honor the rule of law as we do that, because a lot of folks that are trying to do it the right way, going through the process, they feel like they’re at the back of the line. They’re the ones that ultimately get deported.

We don’t need to do that. We need to make sure that those that are trying to do it legally are at the front of the line, and we process those folks that we need.

Bob Pettke

No, and I appreciate your input on that because, we are seeing, really for the first time here and it’s really reared itself, front and center, no matter what side of the aisle do you sit, especially when you’re talking about Chicago and New York and, some of the, the political heads, they’re the mayors of those appropriate cities, they’re, they’re raising their hands saying, Hey, listen, we’ve got ourselves an issue here.

No matter what side of the aisle that you’re on, I’m interested to see and hopefully, your colleagues and a bunch of other folks that are in DC can steer us in the right direction and get us where we need to be, when it comes to those issues at hand.

Nathanial Moran

Yeah. And here’s the concluding thought on that issue: I tell everyone in my chambers, every one of my business folks, that talks to me about the need for additional workforce and immigration reform.

And I say, if it’s really that important to you, then help us get border security passed, because politically speaking and practically speaking. We are not going to take up any comprehensive immigration matters or comprehensive right-to-work matters at all until we get border security done. Border security is of the utmost importance and so if people want to get to part B they got to help us get part A done and right now we’re not seeing enough help in that regard.

Bob Pettke

Absolutely. No, thanks for that. And what I’ll do is I’ll switch gears here a little bit and maybe you can talk a little bit about some things closer to home, but a former colleague and Fox News contributor, Joni Biley, said last week that there are signs. That there’s going to be strength in the economy and jobs when it comes to transportation Logistics, we’re seeing a bump in manufacturing and construction jobs.

What are you seeing? Let’s start out with the folks of East Texas and in your area. What are we seeing? As far as how that all consolidates and, more specifically, what are some of your colleagues in Congress seeing in their respective labor markets?

Nathanial Moran

I’m glad Joni has that positive outlook.

I hope that’s the case. I’m seeing a little bit. different take in East Texas. And I’m hearing this differently a little bit from my colleagues because what we’re seeing is a slowing in the housing market, of course, and that’s driven by high interest rates with banks. When I talk to bankers, lending for both commercial and consumer lending is way down.

It’s a lot harder to find loans to make because people don’t want to pay the high interest rates as a result. there’s a, bigger market now for rental homes, which are, they’re, not out there. And even the rental homes or the prices for those rental homes are through the roof.

So there’s an affordable housing issue that we’re seeing in East Texas. And that slow in residential housing is actually trickling down to a lot of the manufacturing industrial base as well, because a lot of it’s tied into that. And so there’s some of that manufacturing is slowing down as well.

And I think folks are a little bit uneasy about the presidential election year next year. So there’s caution. about not just the world affairs that are going on, and how that’s going to impact the dollar, the value of the dollar and the stock market. But it’s also going to, they’re worried about a little recession next year.

So everybody’s sitting back just a little bit on production on investment, on new projects. That’s what I’m hearing from folks back home. Now that provides opportunity for folks that are willing to get in that space. And certainly I do agree with Joni that when it comes to transportation and logistics, I think there’s, a lot of, a lot of opportunity there presently because of the, the lack of skilled drivers And the lack of, transportation opportunities for, and frankly, the cost of transportation of products is high across the, across America.

If there’s new investment in that area or new opportunities in that area, I’d say now’s a good time to get into that, necessarily. And I do agree with Joni on that.

Bob Pettke

Great. Thanks on that. I’m going to switch it up again here a little bit. after a, The best way I’ll put it, Congressman, is after a few hiccups, your friend and colleague, Mike Johnson, was named Speaker of the House, and in a recent post that you shared, you said, Mike is the speaker that we need to get our country back on track.

And deliver results for the American people. I’d love it if you could share, maybe expand a little bit more on why you feel that Mike Johnson’s the guy.

Nathanial Moran

Yeah. And, with this question, I’ll have to, I’ll have to conclude. I’ve got my next set of meetings coming up, but. Here’s what I’ll tell you, Bob.

And it’s been a great pleasure to be with you, by the way. Again, I can’t believe I got to be your first episode, but the thing about Mike Johnson is he’s authentic and he’s value-based. You may disagree with him, and we’ve had disagreements already in the first three weeks of his tenure, but he’s a man you can trust as far as his word goes.

He’s always been a man true to his principles. I think he’s gotten a bad rap already in the press, but we find it hilarious here in Congress that the national media is always looking for something either negative or crazy to report about somebody, because that’s what stirs emotion.

That’s what stirs anger. That’s what drives ratings for them. And so I understand that they have to do that to try to drive their viewership. But the truth is, when you talk to Mike, he’s a down-to-earth guy. As I said, he’s authentic. He’s honest. He is driven by his conservative principles, and he’s staying true to those principles.

His position now, though, is that you have to imagine this. His position now is not just to be one of 435, but it is to lead those 400 to lead those 435 and, ostensibly, at the very least, lead the 221 republicans in what they’re supposed to do and hurting. It’s like herding cats because we got 221 different opinions, all strong personalities, all trying to represent their differently shaded district and shade by different shades of red is what I say.

And his, no matter who you put in that spot. You’re still going to have the same differences of policy opinion. You’re still going to have the same personalities that were causing trouble before. And so he’s, in the same muck in the mire that McCarthy had to be in to try to get stuff done.

It’s not easy. It’s not perfect. Legislation’s not perfect. So I’d say give Mike Johnson a chance. Cause you’re going to find he is a very good man. He’s the kind of man you’d want, you’d want to live next door to, and he’s the kind of man you’d want to leave this country.

Bob Pettke

Congressman Moran, thank you so much for your time today.

When you see the speaker, let him know he is welcome anytime on the Staffing Buzz Network, and share that with your colleagues. And again, thank you for your expertise and your share today. It was really great to have you as our first inaugural guest.

Nathanial Moran

My pleasure, Bob Pettke. Have a wonderful autumn season.

And, we will hopefully talk to you soon. Okay.

Bob Pettke

Sounds great, my friend. Thank you so much. Thank you.

All right, everybody. That was Congressman Nathaniel Moran. He’s from the 1st district in Texas. Some good input there on the labor market. Some of the things that we’re seeing as far as legislation that’s currently happening in D.C., and really good to get his take on being a staffing guy, being part of that staffing fraternity, just really good to have him on as our guest. A couple of different things here as we start to conclude here today. I just want to thank you all for joining us and listening, and by all means, this is our first one, and we’re just gonna expound and build upon what we have here.

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